218: How to Care for Yourself While Caring for Everyone Else – Compilation Episode

As therapists and health practitioners, caring for other people can feel automatic, while caring for yourself can be much more complicated. Making room for your own needs can feel uncomfortable, overly indulgent, or like something you will finally get to once your clients, your team, your family, and everyone else around you are okay. 

When a private practice is designed around everyone’s needs except the person running it, however, there is a real cost: your schedule may be full and your work may look successful from the outside, but you are finishing your days depleted and you’re disappearing from your own life.

In this first-ever compilation episode of Money Skills for Therapists: The Podcast, Linzy brings together conversations with Maegan Megginson, Karen Dyck & Melissa Tiessen, Kasey Compton, and Darya Zuychenko about what it means to care for yourself while caring for everyone else. 

Maegan and Linzy begin by examining how therapists and healers can build businesses that reproduce the self-sacrifice they have practiced for years. When your profession, your training, and the culture around you continually reinforce that your role is to serve, it becomes easy to create a business that takes care of clients first and leaves you with whatever is left.

Karen and Melissa widen the conversation beyond individual boundaries by looking at the messages women and caregivers receive about the value of their time. They explain why genuine self-care has to be integrated into the workday itself — because a massage, a pedicure, or an evening off cannot fix a schedule or workload that continually ignores what you truly need. Caring for yourself requires you to re-evaluate the structure of your work, including your hours, fees, workload, and the changing circumstances in your life that affect what sustainable work looks like.

Kasey and Linzy explore the relationship underneath those practical decisions, especially for achievement-oriented therapists and practice owners whose sense of worth can become tied to productivity, income, or how much they contribute to other people. Building self-awareness, understanding what drives you, and offering yourself more grace are not distractions from good leadership; they shape how you show up for your team, your relationships, and your business. When practice owners skip that more vulnerable work, the patterns they have not examined can influence how they lead and how they respond to the people around them.

In Linzy’s coaching conversation with Darya, they consider what boundaries are actually protecting and why a boundary is not only a place where you say no to a client. It is also a way of saying yes to rest, freedom, relationships, creativity, and a life that is compelling enough that you genuinely want to stop working. Understanding the difference between a flexible boundary and a hard limit can help you make thoughtful exceptions without repeatedly giving up something that matters to you.

Linzy then reflects on the limits she repeatedly overrode during her own years in private practice. Fitting in one more client or offering one more evening session may have felt like a small accommodation, but those choices affected her energy, her enjoyment of the work, and the quality of care she could provide the person sitting across from her. This does not mean that therapists should become inflexible or never make an exception; it means being honest about your financial and energetic needs, knowing where you can flex, and noticing when accommodating someone else is costing you more than you are willing to give up.

If your schedule regularly leaves you depleted, you keep squeezing clients into hours when you are not at your best, or your life outside work keeps falling lower on the priority list, these conversations will help you consider small, sustainable changes that give some of your energy back to you. Seeing one or two fewer evening clients, creating a lighter day, or setting a clearer daily maximum can help you experience what a more balanced practice feels like, while also allowing your clients to receive better care from you.

Timestamps for this episode:

03:46 – Why Healers Build Businesses That Serve Everyone Else

05:13 – Caregiving, Self-Sacrifice, and Who Becomes a Therapist

06:20 – What Licensing and Training Teach Therapists About Value

07:46 – Patriarchy, Business, and Putting Yourself Last

09:35 – Why This Is More Than a Boundary Problem

10:08 – How Gender and Professional Training Shape the Workday

11:38 – Why Self-Care Needs to Happen During Work

13:59 – The Four Cs of Therapist Self-Care

14:37 – Believing That Your Own Needs Matter

15:11 – Self-Love, Money, and Achievement

17:43 – Self-Awareness as a Leadership Skill

19:39 – What Your Boundaries Are Protecting

20:10 – When You Disappear from Your Own Life

21:13 – Making Life More Compelling Than Work

23:30 – What Overriding Your Limits Costs

23:59 – The Energetic Cost of One More Client

24:27 – Seeing Clients Outside Your Best Hours

26:02 – Are You Actually Doing Your Best Work?

26:40 – Small Schedule Changes That Give Energy Back

28:07 – Linzy’s Closing Reflection and Listener Invitation

Your business needs to take care of you, too

Maegan and Linzy explore how therapists can build businesses around taking care of everyone else while treating their own needs as an afterthought. A sustainable private practice needs to support the person doing the work, not only the people receiving it, because a business that continually asks its owner to give more without restoring their energy is likely to lead to overwhelm and burnout.

Self-care needs to be part of the workday

Karen and Melissa explain why self-care outside work cannot compensate for a schedule that leaves you feeling depleted. Caring for yourself also means examining your workload, your hours, your fees, and whether the shape of your workweek takes your needs into account, then continuing to adjust those choices as your career, family responsibilities, and health change.

Self-awareness affects how you lead

Kasey and Linzy connect self-love and self-awareness to leadership by showing how unexamined patterns can influence teams, relationships, and business decisions. When practice owners make time to understand what they need, what drives them, and how they speak to themselves, they are able to lead with stronger awareness, take responsibility for their reactions, and extend more grace to themselves and others.

Boundaries protect what matters outside work

Linzy and Darya discuss the difference between flexible and hard boundaries, as well as the importance of knowing what those boundaries are protecting. Making intentional room for relationships, rest, creativity, freedom, and meaningful experiences gives you a reason to leave work instead of continually fitting in one more person, while still allowing you to make thoughtful exceptions when a situation calls for flexibility.

Overbooking has a cost for you and your clients

Linzy reflects on the days and appointment times when she could technically see another client but could not offer the same quality of energy. Repeatedly working beyond your limits can make the work feel heavier, reduce your ability to recognize its value, and leave clients receiving less of your attention and presence than they would during the hours when you do your best work.

Small schedule changes can give you energy back

Changing a schedule does not have to happen all at once, particularly when financial needs or established client commitments make a larger change difficult. Making small adjustments can allow you to have a more balanced practice, while giving you more energy for your life and improving the care your clients receive.

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About Linzy Bonham: 

Linzy Bonham is a therapist turned money coach who helps private practice owners and health professionals feel calm, confident, and in control of their finances through her podcast, free workshops and comprehensive programs: Money Skills for Therapists and Money Skills for Group Practice Owners

It all started when she saw her extremely skilled colleagues struggle with the money side of business, with some leaving private practice, or avoiding starting one, because managing finances was simply too stressful.

Linzy set out to support helpers and healers with developing peace of mind about their money. Since so many were never taught money skills, she focuses on the “how” of making the business side of private practice doable — and even super satisfying. 

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Episode Transcript

Maegan Megginson 00:00

Any time you are operating a business that isn’t designed to take care of you as the business owner first and foremost, I think you are just asking to experience overwhelm and burnout, because you’re working so hard to care for other people all the time. And you aren’t really thinking about what it is that you, as the entrepreneur, need to thrive.

 

Linzy Bonham 00:21

Welcome to Money Skills for Therapists, the podcast that helps therapists and health practitioners in private practice go from money confusion and shame to calm, clarity, and confidence with their finances. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by numbers or avoided looking at your business money, you’re in the right place.

 

Linzy Bonham 00:41

I’m Linzy Bonham, therapist turned money coach and creator of Money Skills for Therapists. Before we jump in, I want to remind you of something really important. Most of us highly skilled and competent therapists and health practitioners were never taught about money, not in grad school, not in supervision, not anywhere.

 

Linzy Bonham 00:58

And yet, here we are running businesses that need to take care of us while we’re busy taking care of others. It is a lot of pressure. So if part of you feels anxious about money, avoidant, or like a bit of a hot mess financially, I want you to know that you are not alone and I am here to help. Through my free live workshops each month, I teach practical financial skills to help you feel more grounded, calm, and confident with your private practice money.

 

Linzy Bonham 01:22

You can see what’s coming up and save your spot to join live or register for the replay at moneyskillsfortherapists.com/workshops. Let’s get started.

 

Linzy Bonham 01:30

Hello, and welcome back to the podcast. We are currently in between seasons of Money Skills for Therapists, but rather than taking a break like we usually do, we’ve been putting together a mix of special episodes to share with you. Today’s episode is our first-ever compilation episode. As therapists and healers, so many of us learn to be caregivers way before we ever entered this profession.

 

Linzy Bonham 01:54

Taking care of other people is automatic for us. Taking care of ourselves, on the other hand, can be uncomfortable. It can feel overly indulgent or like something that we only get to do once everyone else is okay. But when your work is built around caring for clients, a team, a family, and a community, continually placing yourself last is not sustainable.

 

Linzy Bonham 02:19

You cannot keep doing meaningful, emotionally demanding work when your business and your schedule leave you depleted. So this episode today is a collection of conversations about what it actually means to care for yourself while caring for everyone else. You’re going to hear clips from conversations that have happened on this podcast over the years that talk about the conditioning that makes self-sacrifice feel normal for us, the role of self-love and boundaries, the cost of overbooking ourselves as therapists, and why protecting our own energy ultimately helps us offer better care.

 

Linzy Bonham 02:52

Before we dive in, I have a small invitation for you. As you listen, notice the moments that stay with you. Maybe it’s something you need to hear today, maybe it’s a past guest that you loved, or maybe it’s a topic that you’d like us to revisit. We would love to know which conversations from the podcast have been the most memorable or meaningful for you.

 

Linzy Bonham 03:11

You can use the link in the show notes or leave us a comment or send us an email, whatever is easiest for you. But we want to hear about your favorite guests, episodes, topics, or specific moments from the podcast. Your response will help us decide which conversations to bring back and highlight in future episodes.

 

Linzy Bonham 03:29

We are starting today’s episode with my conversation with Maegan Megginson about what happens when a business is designed to serve everyone except the person running it.

 

Maegan Megginson 03:46

I think that as healers, therapists, or fill in the blank, like any profession where your job is taking care of someone else in some capacity, I think that we are taught in the baby years of our profession that it’s our job to take care of everyone, right? It’s our job to be of service. And when we go into building our own businesses with this mindset, we end up building a business that serves all of our clients first, and maybe it serves us as the business owner on the back end if we’re lucky.

 

Maegan Megginson 04:23

But any time you are operating a business that isn’t designed to take care of you as the business owner first and foremost, I think you are just asking to experience overwhelm and burnout, because you’re working so hard to care for other people all the time. And you aren’t really thinking about what it is that you, as the entrepreneur, need to thrive.

 

Linzy Bonham 04:44

Right. Yeah, like, it’s in the design. The business is not designed for you. It’s designed to serve your clients.

 

Maegan Megginson 04:50

That’s right. It’s designed for everyone else except you, and you are just the little cog in the machine that has to give all your blood, sweat, and tears to keeping it going in service of everyone else.

 

Maegan Megginson 05:02

So it’s like, the starting line for most healers in their businesses is really terrible and just ripe for exhaustion.

 

Linzy Bonham 05:13

One hundred percent. And I would actually even say that I think the starting line is even further back than that, in that I think our professions attract people who are more prone to self-sacrifice and caregiving, and maybe martyrdom even, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 05:30

Like, who gets drawn into these healing professions? We tend to be people who were already healers when we were, like, three years old.

 

Maegan Megginson 05:37

Right. We kind of came out of the womb overfunctioners.

 

Linzy Bonham 05:39

True story. Right? So we come into this profession because we are drawn to do this thing that we already naturally do, which is help and heal others and, you know, move ourselves back in interactions so somebody else can move forward and be supported.

 

Linzy Bonham 05:56

And then we go through a school system that’s just reinforcing that.

 

Maegan Megginson 06:00

Absolutely. And I think a majority of healers also identify as women, and we’re raised in culture as girls. And I think that’s a whole other layer of conditioning that teaches us to be servants to others and to put everyone else before ourselves.

 

Linzy Bonham 06:20

Mm-hmm. I’m curious if you have any additional thoughts about the licensing process as well that therapists go through, where often they’re doing unpaid hours. Certainly something that I’ve noticed is, for people who go through that process, which is not how all people get to be mental health therapists, but for certain designations, that is how it works.

 

Linzy Bonham 06:40

You’re also just taught that what you’re doing isn’t really actually worth being paid for. Like, it’s not transactional in that training. Yeah.

 

Maegan Megginson 06:49

Yeah. You know, I’ve never thought about it through that lens, but I completely agree, and I have thought a lot about how the licensure process is designed to protect the client and not the provider.

 

Maegan Megginson 07:02

So everything about your ethical code, everything about the different boxes that you have to check in order to get and maintain a professional license are all about serving other people. You know, we don’t have to take an exam about how to take care of ourselves as providers or how to avoid compassion fatigue or burnout.

 

Maegan Megginson 07:25

We don’t have to, you know, take an exam that says we know and are qualified to run a private practice and to be business owners. Everything we do is in service of the client, and at the end of the day, I think that it’s a real detriment to who we are as entrepreneurs and as business owners.

 

Linzy Bonham 07:44

Yeah, because then we end up in business.

 

Maegan Megginson 07:46

Exactly. Yeah, and I just don’t believe—well, here’s what I believe. I believe that the patriarchy, if we can talk about the patriarchy here.

 

Linzy Bonham 07:46

Oh, we can. Oh, we can.

 

Maegan Megginson 07:46

Yeah, I figured. The patriarchy instills deep in our bones at a very young age, right, that it is our job to care for everyone else and not for ourselves, and it’s our job to work very hard, to give, give, give.

 

Maegan Megginson 08:08

And if you go into your role as a CEO and a business builder with that mindset, you are going to build a business that does that. You’re going to build a business that serves everyone else first and yourself last. And I think that is really the mindset shift that we collectively, as healers, have to transform, right?

 

Maegan Megginson 08:30

We have to really give ourselves permission to think about our businesses as these machines that serve us, that give us the life that we want and the financial abundance that we need for our families to be safe and happy and well cared for. And second to that, I’m going to think about, how do I create experiences for my clients that go above and beyond in the value and the care that they deliver to them?

 

Maegan Megginson 08:55

But that only comes after I take good care of myself first. If you don’t do that, you will be overwhelmed, and you will burn out.

 

Linzy Bonham 09:01

One hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, it’s the classic, like, you can’t pour from an empty cup. And yet, I do think that culturally it has become the norm that we are empty cups. We’re just a bunch of empty cups.

 

Maegan Megginson 09:12

Yeah, absolutely.

 

Linzy Bonham 09:14

Telling other cups to also stay empty.

 

Maegan Megginson 09:15

Well, and there’s some weird, like, there can be this—it’s like a badge of honor to be an empty cup, you know? Like, oh, look how hard I work, look how much I give, look how much good I do, and I’m so tired. Look how busy I am, you know? It’s like busyness is a badge of honor.

 

Maegan Megginson 09:31

I think it just really feeds into all of those internalized belief systems.

 

Linzy Bonham 09:35

Maegan names the central tension so clearly. Healers can build businesses that reproduce the same self-sacrifice that we have practiced for years. But this pattern is not simply an individual failure to set better boundaries. There are powerful cultural and professional messages underneath it. In my conversation with Karen Dyck and Melissa Tiessen, we explored why women and caregivers are especially vulnerable to organizing our work around everyone else and why genuine self-care has to change the workday itself.

 

Karen Dyck 10:08

I think where gender can be so important is just recognizing some of the messages women get through socialization, through our training, right? The idea about really working hard. I think all of us who went to graduate school or university realize how grueling that was, and I think we got used to that pace.

 

Karen Dyck 10:30

And when we move into our profession, it’s just so easy to take that student mindset with us, which means doing with less, really working hard. And so I think it’s so easy to continue those patterns. And on top of that, women are certainly given the messages that we are caregivers and that we should just be doing this.

 

Karen Dyck 10:52

So I think when we bring money into the situation, it can really muddy things. And to top it all off, women also get messages about their time not being really as important as other people’s time. So I think with that, it can be so easy for female therapists to organize their schedule around their clients’ needs and what’s convenient for them.

 

Linzy Bonham 11:19

Yes.

 

Karen Dyck 11:19

And that’s not to say there aren’t times when that makes perfect sense to do, but I think it’s so easy for women to fall into that pattern. That is just what we’re doing on an ongoing basis, right? Yes, yes. And I think that can influence our scheduling, and it can influence how much we’re charging for our services.

 

Karen Dyck 11:38

So I think Melissa and I really believe that self-care means putting ourselves into our schedule. It means doing more, I guess, deeper types of self-care, and particularly ones that are really well aligned with our profession because there are hazards of our profession, certain stressors that a massage, a pedicure, those really aren’t going to be effective.

 

Karen Dyck 12:04

So our self-care also needs to be in our workday because I think so often when people do talk about self-care, it’s about things that we do outside our office and after our workday.

 

Linzy Bonham 12:16

Right.

 

Karen Dyck 12:16

And it’s not that those can’t be a valuable part of our self-care, but if we’re doing those and not really looking at our workday, I just can’t see us being particularly successful at taking good care of ourselves.

 

Karen Dyck 12:30

And I think it also needs to be something that is very intentional and dynamic because our situations change, right, in so many ways: our career stage, our family circumstances, other caregiving roles, our health. And if we aren’t kind of monitoring that and adapting our self-care based on our changing needs, we’re also going to struggle.

 

Karen Dyck 12:57

So I think we really like to see it in a much, much broader sense, and it’s so important, again, that the self-care strategies are aligned with our profession and are part of our workday. And I think that piece often gets missed. And women in particular, I think, are so often kind of fed these more commodified versions of self-care.

 

Karen Dyck 13:20

And interestingly, often things that kind of focus on our appearance, right? Like manicures, pedicures. And that’s fine, right? If that is something that gives you some enjoyment, please keep doing those. And yet know that those things in and of themselves, I don’t think, are actually going to address the workplace stressors that we all just face as therapists.

 

Linzy Bonham 13:47

And so some of those strategies, then, that you’re talking about, you’re talking about these kind of dynamic strategies that need to be integrated into our workweek. It shouldn’t be something that we’re doing necessarily in the evening only. Tell me what some of those look like.

 

Melissa Tiessen 13:59

So it really starts with a model that we’ve developed that we call the Four Cs, which includes connection, compassion, courage, and creativity.

 

Melissa Tiessen 14:10

And so this is really the starting point for thinking more broadly about our self-care and, as Karen said, really thinking about how can we be incorporating self-care in how we are approaching our workday, our workweek, or just how we comport ourselves as a therapist. Again, not just what are we doing outside of work.

 

Melissa Tiessen 14:30

Again, that matters, but if we’re not paying attention to what we’re doing during our workday, that’s just going to be completely insufficient.

 

Linzy Bonham 14:37

Putting yourself into your schedule is practical, but it also asks something deeper of you. You have to actually believe that your time, your needs, and your wellbeing matter. For achievement-oriented therapists and practice owners, worth can so easily be tied to productivity, to income, or to how much we contribute to other people.

 

Linzy Bonham 14:58

In this next conversation, Kasey Compton explains why self-love and self-awareness are not distractions from good leadership. They are, in fact, part of what makes good leadership and a satisfying life possible.

 

Kasey Compton 15:11

One of the things that people need to ask themselves, because I never asked myself this question, and it wasn’t until it was asked of me in a therapy session that I realized, “Oh, crap.”

 

Kasey Compton 15:22

Like, I don’t even know what that is. I don’t know what self-love is. Because, you know, for achievement-minded, outcome-driven people, if you would have told me five years ago, “Oh, like, you just need to love yourself,” I would be like, “You’re crazy. I just need to make more money.” Most people think that that is not something tangible, that is not something that they can control, that is not something that’s going to make them money, and so they don’t even want to fool with it.

 

Kasey Compton 15:52

But I think you have to ask yourself, how much do you love yourself right now? Even, like, put a number to it. On a scale from one to ten, how much do you love yourself? And when that question was asked of me, I did not have an answer. Yeah. I think I landed on the number two because I couldn’t even conceptualize what that was.

 

Kasey Compton 16:11

Like…

 

Linzy Bonham 16:11

Yeah.

 

Kasey Compton 16:12

You know, it was just really hard, and especially because I had, at that point, started to make some connections that my perception of my value was contingent on my contribution to things financially.

 

Linzy Bonham 16:29

Yes. Yes.

 

Kasey Compton 16:30

Obviously, I wasn’t loving myself if I believed that. You know, if I believed that…

 

Kasey Compton 16:36

I mean, I remember talking to my ex-husband after I started the business: “Maybe they’ll want us to come back to church now that we actually can, like, tithe.”

 

Linzy Bonham 16:46

Right.

 

Kasey Compton 16:46

You know? “Maybe they’ll ask you to be in the band again because now we can give.”

 

Linzy Bonham 16:54

Mm-hmm.

 

Kasey Compton 16:54

And, like, that’s really messed up.

 

Kasey Compton 16:56

Yeah. But I just noticed that I was lacking that love of myself, which also entails confidence, grace, and business owners are so—therapists especially are so hard on themselves—and that is not love. Like, when you’re talking to yourself, when you’re putting pressure on yourself to achieve and grow your business and grow your practice and all of those things, think about, would you talk to your own children that way?

 

Kasey Compton 17:25

Because if you wouldn’t, then I don’t know why we talk to ourselves that way and we put such unrealistic and such high-stakes expectations on ourselves. And so I would say that’s how self-love connects, just one way. There’s a lot, but…

 

Linzy Bonham 17:43

Yeah, and I mean, that’s such powerful work that I think it’s tempting to skip.

 

Linzy Bonham 17:48

It’s tempting, even as therapists, even though we know, obviously, that there’s so much inside and we have a whole universe inside that needs to be attended to. What I do see is, like, when we get into the business track, and especially what you’re talking about with group practice, where it’s, like, scaled income—you know, like, you can make a lot of money, you’ve got a lot of responsibility, a lot of balls up in the air—it’s really, I think, tempting to try to skip that work that is really about vulnerability, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 18:10

Like, connecting with your own vulnerability. Who are you? What actually feeds you? Attending to the things that are feeding those triggers. But what I see, Kasey, and I’m curious about your perspective on this, is when people don’t do that work, especially when they’re bosses to other people, we become really terrible bosses too, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 18:27

Like, when we’re getting triggered and taking our stuff out on other people and not even owning it, right? Like, there are a lot of repercussions when you’re in a position of power when you are not taking care of yourself.

 

Kasey Compton 18:41

One hundred percent, yes. I see that so much. So, so, so much.

 

Kasey Compton 18:45

And, you know, people are hard enough to manage and lead even when you’re in perfectly healthy mode. And so then you add in all of the other things, and it’s really hard, and we’re human, and we make mistakes, and I’ve made plenty. But being able to build awareness around yourself and your ability to love yourself and give yourself grace and all of those things, just—I do, one hundred percent.

 

Kasey Compton 19:14

It makes you a better leader, a better person, a better mother, a better friend, a better partner, a better everything. We tell ourselves, “Well, we don’t have time, you know? I don’t have time for that because I’m so doing all the things over here.” But those things are never going to be at their greatest level of possibility without you doing the work for yourself first.

 

Linzy Bonham 19:39

When we recognize that our wellbeing matters, the next question is how to protect it in real life. Boundaries are not only about saying no. They’re also about being clear on what we are saying yes to, whether that’s rest, relationships, creativity, freedom, and a life that exists beyond the therapy room. In this coaching conversation with Darya Zuychenko, we explore the difference between flexible and hard boundaries and the importance of making life compelling enough that you actually want to leave work at the end of the day.

 

Linzy Bonham 20:10

Because it almost seems like that day, and I don’t know if this language will resonate with you, but it’s kind of like you didn’t exist in your own life that day.

 

Linzy Bonham 20:15

And so with that, I mean, there are a couple of ways that we can think about this. We can construct your ideal, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 20:22

And think about, like, what would it take for you to hold to your ideal? And how do you also work in things like emergency spots for folks who might be in pain? That’s always an option. So we’ll come to that in a second. But the other thing that I think about is understanding your flexible boundaries versus your hard boundaries.

 

Darya Zuychenko 20:37

Mm-hmm.

 

Linzy Bonham 20:38

Right? Like, where can you flex for clients? Because maybe they are really in pain and they do need to be fit in. And I had a discussion with my own osteopath about this, actually, talking about business and osteopathy. And, like, when you have that person who’s your star client who also sends you all their friends, and they’re in terrible pain…

 

Darya Zuychenko 20:56

Mm.

 

Linzy Bonham 20:56

You say yes to them. You make it work. You show up on Saturday morning, right? Like, it’s understanding that this is a relationship. And also, as a business, you want to be taking really good care of the folks who are your kind of star clients. But at the same time, just understanding, like, where’s your hard stop, where you’re like, “Okay, now I’m costing myself something that I’m not willing to give up.”

 

Linzy Bonham 21:13

So the other piece of this equation, then, is the life part of work-life balance. So that’s something I’d also encourage you to start to be curious about, is, like, what is your minimum, your “no less than this” for your life? What do you need to see in your life, Darya, to enjoy yourself, feel fulfilled, have meaning?

 

Linzy Bonham 21:34

There’s this idea of making your life more compelling than work, right? So that your life is actually more interesting and richer and more fulfilling than the work that you’re doing. Right. So for you to have a life that you really enjoy, what are some of the minimums? What are some of the boundaries that you would need to have in place?

 

Darya Zuychenko 21:50

More time for myself.

 

Linzy Bonham 21:52

Okay.

 

Darya Zuychenko 21:52

Whatever that looks like, right? Like, whether it’s a delightful bath, whether it’s touching the piano that I haven’t touched in a very long time.

 

Linzy Bonham 21:59

Yes. Yes, yes.

 

Darya Zuychenko 22:00

Like, any of those things.

 

Darya Zuychenko 22:02

But I think it’s also important in my life to have relationships, whether it’s friends or other types of relationships, that are really dual rather than me sort of having to naturally stay in work state.

 

Linzy Bonham 22:11

Yes.

 

Darya Zuychenko 22:12

Work is work. We don’t all want to be at work at 9:00 on Monday morning, but we’re going to be because we have to.

 

Linzy Bonham 22:18

Yes, we are. Yep.

 

Linzy Bonham 22:18

Right. Yeah. So it sounds like really consciously putting the things into your life that you enjoy…

 

Linzy Bonham 22:24

Making sure you’re doing them even if somebody else doesn’t happen to be available. Seeking those balanced relationships as well, like having more of those dual interactions. And what I would encourage you to think about, and maybe as you’re doing your boundary setting, writing that out for your practice, then think about the other side.

 

Linzy Bonham 22:41

So, like, what is maybe your minimum amount of evenings you want to be home a week? If time of day is important to you, or minimum amount of mornings that you start late. Like, we all have kind of our sweet spots where we’re like, “Oh, it’s nice to be home in the morning. It’s nice to be home in the evening.”

 

Linzy Bonham 22:54

It’s nice to go out, go for lunch, or do yoga, have that break in the middle of the day. Whatever that looks like for you, what are your minimums around that kind of self-care? But then also, what are the components you want to add into your life so that you also have a reason to want to leave work?

 

Darya Zuychenko 23:05

Yes.

 

Linzy Bonham 23:06

Right? So you’re like, “Oh, well, Tuesday night I could squish in this client who’s really not actually being super flexible, and I could fit them in at 7:00 p.m., but I don’t really want to because I’m actually going to see this great concert with a friend, and I’ve been looking forward to it for two weeks.”

 

Linzy Bonham 23:19

Right? And so thinking about also, what are the things you add into your life to make it exciting and to make you want to stop working…

 

Linzy Bonham 23:25

And go and just be a human who’s enjoying her adulthood and not being a student?

 

Linzy Bonham 23:30

Knowing your own boundaries does not mean that you’re never going to override them. I learned some of my own limits the painful way repeatedly during my years in private practice. I could tell myself that one more client or one later appointment was a small accommodation to make to be able to help somebody, but those decisions had a real cost: less energy for my life, less enjoyment of the work, and sometimes less of me available to the person sitting across from me.

 

Linzy Bonham 23:57

Here is what I wish I had understood sooner.

 

Linzy Bonham 23:59

So it’s like four clients a day, five days a week. I knew that if I did more than four sessions a day, I tended to basically be a zombie afterwards.

 

Linzy Bonham 24:09

One of the costs of not having a regular appointment system is trying to squish people in here and there so that you can still see them in a given week. And whenever I would schedule a day that had even five sessions, I would deeply pay for it. Like, I energetically did not have it.

 

Linzy Bonham 24:26

The other thing

 

Linzy Bonham 24:27

a mistake that I made, was seeing clients outside of the hours where I was really actually a good therapist. So seeing clients in the evenings, trying to accommodate evening sessions, you know, catch people when they were done work because it worked better for them, obviously. It was more convenient for them.

 

Linzy Bonham 24:44

It felt like an easier way to get a client to say, like, “Oh, sure, yeah, I’ll see you at 5:30 when you’re done work.” But for me—this is a joke that I still make, and it’s a joke and it’s also true—I’m pretty dumb in the evening. I really run out of cognitive energy as I get into the evening, and at a certain point, I started to realize that even my 4:30 sessions were not getting the same quality from me as my daytime sessions, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 25:08

So yes, I was able to see these folks. I was able to fit them into my schedule. We were able to have a clinical relationship, which was great, but I definitely was not my best. Like, they were not getting the best of me, and I was tired. And I was kind of ready to go home, but I had committed to doing really vulnerable, important work with somebody instead, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 25:27

And it’s never good for us, and it’s never good for our clients if we don’t want to be there. If you’re exhausted and you are already thinking about dinner or thinking about a phone call you need to make later that night, you are not giving somebody your best service, and they would probably actually be better served by even somebody else rather than us when we are in that state.

 

Linzy Bonham 25:47

So stretching myself beyond my schedule limits and trying to see too many clients cost me a lot of energy over the years. It made therapy into something that was burdensome emotionally because I was giving too much of myself away.

 

Linzy Bonham 26:02

So for folks who are listening, if you’re finding yourself in this schedule trap, I know it can be a tough one to unwind from. There are all sorts of stories and scarcity thinking and objections that can come up internally, but at the very least, I would encourage you to be honest with yourself about: are you actually doing your best work?

 

Linzy Bonham 26:22

If you’re seeing six or seven clients a day, is client six or client seven getting the same quality of work as client two or three? What is the cost to you emotionally of the schedule that you have set in terms of quality, in terms of quantity of sessions, and also in terms of the timing of your sessions?

 

Linzy Bonham 26:40

And I’m a big fan of incrementalism in general. So if you’re not in a space where you’re ready to make some big move around no longer working evenings or something like that, are there little changes that you can make that would start to give you your energy back, let you have more energy for your life, and also let you see yourself doing really good work?

 

Linzy Bonham 26:59

I think that one of the things that can contribute to therapists having a hard time thinking about charging the fee that they actually need to be well is, if we don’t feel great about our work, if we see ourselves feeling burnt out and depleted, it’s hard to value it. And you’re probably still making a very big positive impact in your clients’ lives, but you’re certainly not thriving, right?

 

Linzy Bonham 27:21

And you’re not feeling yourself really in that zone of being really good at the work and enjoying the work. Because when we are depleted, when we’re overextending ourselves, we are doing the work, but we’re doing so at great cost to ourselves. So if you are in that space, I would encourage you to think about how you start to tweak your schedule a little bit.

 

Linzy Bonham 27:39

You know, take away one or two evening sessions, see a couple fewer clients, give yourself a light Friday. What can you do to start to get more of a taste of what a balanced schedule would feel like for you so you can start to give some energy back to yourself, back to your life? And in doing so, your clients will actually get better care from you.

 

Linzy Bonham 27:56

So it is a win-win, and it is something that I wish I had done much, much earlier in my own practice.

 

Linzy Bonham 28:07

As giving, caring professionals, remembering to prioritize our own wellbeing is an ongoing practice and challenge for us. There is always going to be another person we could help, another client that we could squeeze into our schedule, or another task that we could finish before we rest. But caring for yourself is not separate from caring for your clients.

 

Linzy Bonham 28:29

It’s part of how you stay present, thoughtful, effective, and connected to the work that you choose to do. It’s part of how you build a private practice that can support you for years instead of continually asking you to disappear inside it. I encourage you to save this episode and return to it whenever you notice yourself falling lower and lower on your own priority list.

 

Linzy Bonham 28:51

You deserve the same compassion and care that you so willingly give to others. And if you forget that sometimes, let this episode be your reminder. And before we go, I want to ask you, what stood out to you today? Let us know your favorite segment or past guest or topic that you would love us to revisit.

 

Linzy Bonham 29:08

Use the link in the show notes, leave us a comment, send us an email, or contact us through the website. Your feedback will help us shape future compilation episodes. Thank you so much for joining me today.



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I’m a private practice therapist turned money coach, and the creator of Money Skills for Therapists. I help therapists and health practitioners in private practice feel calm and in control of their finances.

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